Laura D
Chicago
@festy Younger people won't be familiar with them? At what point will they become familiar with them? I mean, Snorri Sturlson is from the 13th century, and I know him. Even I wasn't born that long ago. Same with Sousa—long before I was born. Fala is still before I was born. "The King and I" was before I was born, but I guess it was still popular enough in my youth that I would know who Yul Brynner is. Never knew gourde, but I got it from crosses and learned something today. And it's been the currency of Haiti from 1813 until the present day. Yes, I remember when Orrin Hatch was a senator. That was the only thing that happened in my lifetime. I'll give you that one.
Not happy with the ABYSM/MAXIMUM crossing. Being quite unskilled in math, and thinking that MAXIMUs seemed like a reasonable word for a calculus calculation, after scanning through all my entries and finding nothing obviously wrong, I had to use Check Puzzle to find where I went wrong.
@ad Yeah, well, in the US, "Bake-Off" is a trademark of the Pillsbury company and, as such, cannot be used by the show when it is broadcast here. Hence the name change, and the title that most NYT readers will be familiar with.
@SadieDoyle Maybe your musical vocabulary is too good and got in the way. Mine isn't that great, and I got BASSO with no intersecting words. It helped that I'm familiar with a few versions of "Ol' Man River" and know it's usually sung by a deep voice, especially in context in the musical Show Boat. The rebus can be entered in several ways (see Deb Amlen's column, under "Today's Theme"). It doesn't have to be entered consistently throughout. I did some IE/EI and some EI/IE with no regard to horizontal or vertical clues.
I don't always like the "trick" puzzles, especially when they're forced. But this one was an absolute delight. Once I got the first themed clue (16A), everything fell into place, and I actually felt smart. Great job, Mr. Seigel!
@Marty At high school proms, or formal dances, in the US, a prom king and prom queen are chosen from the student body. They have attendants who are called their court, as in a "royal court".
I enjoyed the puzzle, and the theme, when I finally figured it out. But . . . I know I'm not supposed to be this picky about clues, but I felt a few were misleading. A SPUR is not part of a boot but an add-on to it. PEKOE is not a variety of tea but a grade of tea; any variety of black tea (Assam, Darjeeling, Nilgiri, etc.) can be graded as pekoe. It has to do with leaf size. An ORCA is not a deep-sea predator so much as a near-the-surface predator. Yeah. Come at me. It's okay.
Never heard of an acai bowl until last week, and now it's been in two recent crosswords. Very odd.
Had no hope at the start, but square by square, I eventually filled them all in. Only one lookup (which I probably didn't need, but I got impatient): Temple Square. Fun puzzle!
"Out of the picture, maybe?" CAME RASHY...no. CAMER ASHY...no. CAM ERASHY...no. Took me WAY too long to read it as CAMERA SHY.
@HeathieJ Agree completely. I had no problem coming up with Sanka, but yesterday's CeeLo had me struggling for quite a while. I can only put that down to generational knowledge. Sometimes it works in my favor, and sometimes not.
I got ETHER and LABYRINTH from cross clues, but I didn't understand how they related to their clues till I read Deb's column. Maybe on a different day, with more sleep, I could have enjoyed the thrill of discovery.
I'm ambivalent about this puzzle. On the one hand, it has lots of clever, satisfying clues: "One of two in Mötley Crüe," "Intricately plotted fiction," "Petty person?" On the other, the obscurity of the proper nouns is impenetrable (to me): RETTA, LARA Dutta, Tommy IVAN (and they're not names I'm likely to remember tomorrow). Also, I've got to pick on FIRSTGENERATION. Back in the old days, when I first learned about it, immigrants were, well, immigrants, and first generation referred to the children of foreign-born parents. I guess definitions have changed, but the clue wasn't helpful to me at all considering what I thought I knew.
I loved this puzzle. It took me almost 10 minutes longer than my Thursday average, so it was fairly difficult for me, but it was so well constructed and solving it was so satisfying that I rate it among the NYT's crosswords I've completed. COURT(S)IDE(S)EATS was the first theme fill to fall, and even after getting that, I struggled with the SW corner for a bit, thinking the missing letters had to be the same because of the two S's in that one. Still don't think I'll remember that "blinds" means "ANTES"; I'll probably have to rely on crosses if it ever comes up again.
I don't always like the Thursday tricks, and I sometimes don't get them at all (even if I've solved the puzzle) until I read the Wordplay column. Bu this one was FUN! I don't know if it was just that I was on the same wavelength of the constructor or there's some other reason. the non-themed fill was fairly easy, and it led me to the themed fill.
Fairly easy Friday puzzle (my best time for a Friday, and less half my average), but really satisfying fill. I found the long entries easier than the short ones for a change.
@CalGal Speck is a delicious ham that's sort of like a smoked prosciutto. Serrano is the Spanish version of prosciutto. (I guess all my descriptions of ham use prosciutto as the starting point.) "Erm" is in my experience the written British version of the American "um"—because many British accents (or maybe "some" is more accurate) are non-rhotic, "erm" is pronounced much the same way as "um" is in many American accents.
This is the kind of Thursday puzzle I can get behind. Lots of fun (despite using SUMOS to mean sumo wrestlers or rikishi). There's one answer I still don't get though. "Smash hits: Abbr." solves to HRS. What does that mean?
@Barry Ancona - Well, part of the problem is that I never hang out at smoothie bars. And if something is "trending", I'm even less likely to eat it—out of pure perversion.
@Always learning A lanai is a porch (from the Hawaiian language), and it's also one of the Hawaiian Islands.
@Eliz Oddly, I never even thought of healthcare for that clue. Illicit drugs were all that ever entered my mind. A shot of heroin is often mainlined into a vein. Not saying that's what the constructor had in mind, but just pointing out a different way of looking at clue 19D.
I Ching coins? Huh. Learn something new every day.
Delightful puzzle for a Monday. And I'm duly impressed that its creator is 16 years old!
@Grant Really? I come across the word "cognate" regularly. It might be because I'm particularly interested in language and etymology, but even without that, it seems a common-enough—and useful—word to know.
@Old Dad - I would still talk about a copper cooking pan being re-tinned. But then, I'm pretty old. And most copper pans are lined with steel these days rather than tin, so . . .
@Hilary Well, going by the Greek, it's actually octopodes, but since it's now an English word, we use an English pluralization: octopuses.
"Paren" is common shorthand for editors and proofreaders.
@Cathy Huh. I didn't know anyone covered it, so thanks for that info on NOFX!
@Sam Lyons, So . . . I couldn't read all these comments without going down the rabbit hole. From what I can find, it looks like the quote is actually from Hannah More, an 18th-19th-century religious writer and philanthropist. This is what she says: "That silence is one of the great arts of conversation is allowed by Cicero himself, who says, there is not only an art, but even an eloquence in it." I don't know where she got it from, but the way the sentence is constructed, it seems like Cicero actually wrote something closer to "there is not only an art, but even an eloquence in silence". More picked that up and added "that silence is one of the great arts of conversation".
I came across this same site with its explanation. While I buy the etymology part of heronsaw > hernsaw > harnsa > handsaw, the wind and sun stuff is nonsense. The wind only blows from the north/northwest at 10 a.m.? Birds always fly in the direction of wind? Nah.
In US schools (at least in the '70s and '80s), we had plenty of Robert Service, so dunno why you couldn't have had Robert Frost as well. And I have to disagree about "centre". The clue was about American football, so "center" seems the only appropriate answer.
@Steve L There's really no such thing as multitasking; you just switch rapidly back and forth between two (or more) tasks, and neither gets the attention it deserves. Pausing the TV was the right move.
@Tamara I still don't get it. Yes, hands are on a clock, but what does ... Ohhh. I see. There are two hands on the clock. D'oh! Just realized as I was typing this.
@Classic Hip-Hop Fan: Yes, you've got most of the following day to finish a certain day's puzzle and still have it count toward your streak. I finished Friday's puzzle later Saturday, and it still counted. And I just finished Saturday's puzzle at noon on Sunday and it counted as part of my streak.
@Chris I also like the gin-soaked olives, but I don't want to drink the martini once they've been in it. So I like two separate things: Gin-soaked olives, and martinis with a twist, and never the twain shall meet.
@HeathieJ Often it's called the "Mandela Effect" or "Fruit of the Loom Effect".
Somewhat off-topic but related: When I worked at Starbucks in the 1990s, we regularly abbreviated the name as *$
I kinda liked the theme, but AGLARE? Not so much.
@Joe Figured out the theme...ahem. Sadly, that never happened.
Soda bread isn't leavened with sour milk. I mean, it's right there in the name: "SODA bread". It's leavened with baking soda.
@Jim Yeah, that soda bread clue was a little off. Soda bread, as the name suggests, is leavened with baking soda. It might contain sour milk as an ingredient, and that sour milk interacts with the soda to create rise, but the sour milk alone will not do it.
@Bonnie Ann On further consideration, I'm also more inclined to let it pass, since the baking soda does need something acidic to activate, and sour milk can be that acidic thing. But it could also be buttermilk or even vinegar. So you do need something sour, but the soda is what's really doing the work of leavening.
@D Bean "Piqued" means irritated. "Peaked" means pale or sickly. Two different words; two different meanings.
@PaganPicnic I thought the same. When I think of mosquito nets, in my mind, they're always hanging on a bed or over a child's stroller. But I guess hats with nets exist.
My stats say I finished this in 4:09. I'd like that to be true, as it would be my best time for any crossword so far, but the actual puzzle page shows the real time: 6:15. Why?
@B Funny you should be talking about the moderation process today. Usually my comments take a couple of hours to show up, but today I got a notification that my comment had been approved for publication within seconds of posting it. First time.
@Fritz Same. Q*BERT was one of my first 5 fill-ins. Ahh, the good old days at the arcade...
@Akin The house carls are never going to be noblemen in any universe. If they do become noblemen, they won't be carls anymore.
@Akin Ah, so I picked the wrong word. Should be "count", if the Normans had had their way.
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