Bob T.
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Okay, I've never done this before. For the record I probably won't solve the puzzle until morning's coffee. But I made a comment late yesterday and a few folks asked for details and I didn't see those requests until REALLY late, so here goes, hopefully in a place it will be seen. And yes it's Off Topic, but it's in reply to something which was On Topic, albeit yesterday. in the 2000s I was at the center of an NLRB action; I was the main target of a venue which didn't want my union involved. To plead our case I was asked to submit a trove of emails . At the NLRB hearing I was asked why my two bosses (not the targets of the investigation) repeatedly called me Vlad in the emails when it was clearly not my name. I had to explain to the PTB* that my middle initial is V, and I was a big fan of Buffy (the vampire slayer). I quoted the show often at work (come on, it remains eminently quotable: "could you vague that up for me?" remains in heavy rotation) and I would often say things like "well, what would Buffy do?" or "Giles would have handled that differently" or "that's exactly what Cordelia would have said". So my nickname became Vlad The Impaler--amusing in a very small group of workmates, but difficult to explain in a hearing. :\ So thanks for listening. *Powers That Be
Got a big kick out of this one, and as I mentioned elsewhere it sent me down a Frostiana rabbit hole, so thanks for that. Like many, I'm surprised at the hate. Also, I resent the implication by many who hated it that we here in the comments section are all a bunch of Pollyannas who refuse to criticize a puzzle that is clearly bad. I think it's pretty unlikely that the NYTimes would publish a puzzle that was clearly bad. I liked today's puzzle, and not in spite of it being bad; to me it wasn't bad. The quality of the puzzle is an opinion, not a hard fact. @Andrzej, who liked the puzzle, questioned whether the crowd here has a double standard--happily accepting positive comments but requiring negative comments to be explicit about what they hated. It's an interesting point, but ultimately not one with which I agree. I don't think compliments need to be defended; I like it when folks play nice. [although usually people *do* mention what they liked--a particular clue or seeing a particular word in the grid.] Everyday someone will not like the puzzle, and most days someone will come here to say so. I absolutely agree that this is the place for that, but I do want to know why if possible. And I really don't like seeing ad hominem attacks from either side. We can't all be as supportive as @Lewis, but a little kindness goes a long way.
@Bob T. p.s. i LOVE the constructor notes. It's so nice to get insight into how the sausage gets made.
Fun one! a nit to pick, or perhaps a request for someone with actual farm experience to chime in. I've always been fascinated by the varied terms for livestock and the nuances they carry. For example a horse can be a foal, colt, filly, mare, stallion, or gelding. For cattle you've got calf, dogie, heifer, cow, bull, and steer. My understanding was that a female pig is a gilt until she births her first litter, at which point she becomes a SOW. With a name like Miss Piggy I have to assume she's single, so unless she had a litter out of wedlock or reverted to Miss Piggy after a divorce, I don't think she'd take kindly to being referred to as a SOW, and anyone calling her that would get a karate chop.
A wardrobe supervisor once corrected me and I've never forgotten it. Neither Tony Stark nor Captain Jack Sparrow has a GOATEE; they both sport Van Dykes. I know, I know, meanings change over time. Now get off my lawn. Great puzzle. Lots of fun rabbit holes. Welcome back Mr. G, and thanks.
Like many of you I was unfamiliar with RARED up. I did find it interesting that its variant, "raring to go" uses both that pronunciation and that spelling. I had never thought about how that phrase came to be or exactly what it meant literally. As a wise man once said, "People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words."
I never do the puzzle this early! But I'm on a train. Good fast Monday.
Nice to see Sid Sivakumar's name on the midi. It's been far too long, well over a year since we've seen him here.
more thoughts: in the column, Sam writes "(And, in case it’s not clear, the word THROUGH doesn’t have a homophone, nor do the other words clued this way. That aspect of the clue is intended to hint at the answer, because THROW would be a homophone of THROUGH if both -OUGH words were pronounced with that long O.)" I would respectfully posit that both THROUGH and RUE have homophones, "threw" and "roux". On another note... for years I confused the words "don" and "DOFF". You cannot imagine the forehead-smacking moment when I realized they are literally the words "on" and "off", preceded by a "D". D'oh.
Loved this one. Surprised to learn how many people were unfamiliar with ZERO MOSTEL; in addition to "Tevye" he created the role of "Pseudolus" in "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum"--two iconic musical theatre roles, both of which earned him Tony Awards. *And* he co-starred, with Gene Wilder, in one of the funniest movies ever made, Mel Brooks' The Producers. *And* he was black-listed thanks to the HUAC, and managed to come back strong, even starring in a Martin Ritt film about the blacklist, The Front. And as Pinky once said to Brain: "I think so Brain; but Zero Mostel times anything will still give you Zero Mostel." Narf!
@Cap’n Dan Mathews not sure what you're talking about. not a lit major, but I got through it and thought it was a good puzzle.
Still wading through comments, but wanted to get this out there: Did enjoy it, and did catch on very quickly to the basic idea; I got the revealer early from just a few crosses, and I knew the answer to 22A could/should be MINOR THIRD. But I didn't think rebus at first; I spelled NORTH upwards, turning EAST when I hit the wall, so 8D was "tron" and 8A was THIRD. I guess I convinced myself a [Challenger] was someone who came in third place? At 15A I had entered OSCAR WILDE as a guess, and OSCAR was fine but WILDE was not working with THIRD above it. So I convinced myself that the quote came from some other OSCAR; I even convinced myself that WILDE would have said "poorly cast" rather than "badly cast". Once I finally got rebussy with it and got the happy music I went to find the quote. Here is the more extended version of it: “Actors are so fortunate. They can choose whether they will appear in tragedy or in comedy, whether they will suffer or make merry, laugh or shed tears. But in real life it is different. Most men and women are forced to perform parts for which they have no qualifications. Our Guildensterns play Hamlet for us, and our Hamlets have to jest like Prince Hal. The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.” ― Oscar Wilde, Lord Arthur Savile's Crime and Other Stories ============================================== tl;dr: And this is why I love Thursdays. ;) Carry on.
for those interested in seeing the actual front pages... Titanic Sinks <a href="https://www.cafepress.com/mf/35637338/london-herald-titanic-sinks-gr_greeting-cards?productId=408505320" target="_blank">https://www.cafepress.com/mf/35637338/london-herald-titanic-sinks-gr_greeting-cards?productId=408505320</a> nixon resigns <a href="https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0808.html" target="_blank">https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0808.html</a> Dewey Defeats Truman <a href="https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_499884" target="_blank">https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_499884</a> Wall St. Lays an Egg <a href="https://images.app.goo.gl/j5W7w62FXtZEzdn4A" target="_blank">https://images.app.goo.gl/j5W7w62FXtZEzdn4A</a> Ford to City: Drop Dead <a href="https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/10/29/ford-to-city-drop-dead-in-1975" target="_blank">https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/10/29/ford-to-city-drop-dead-in-1975</a>/ headless body in topless bar <a href="https://images.app.goo.gl/2oHkbGX2ot8ZWPS87" target="_blank">https://images.app.goo.gl/2oHkbGX2ot8ZWPS87</a>
yay puzzle. I come to praise "Pinky and the Brain". For those of you not familiar, it was part of a major animation renaissance at Warner Bros. thanks to Spielberg. Like the old Warner cartoons (Bugs et al.) it works on multiple levels, so parents can watch it with their kids without being bored, and kids can go back and watch as adults and catch new meanings. Brain's voice is modeled on Orson Welles (go ahead, you cannot unhear it). In one glorious episode Pinky and Brain have to go to the studio for a looping session (how insane is that?!) and it's largely drawn from Orson Welles' notorious studio melt-down recording a voiceover for a Paul Masson wine commercial. I won't link here, but all is searchable. Lastly, in every episode at some point Brain asks "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" and Pinky responds with a total non-sequitor. In our home neither of us can say "I think so" without both of us then saying "Brain". And I will include a link to 80 of those. ;) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2nUdtKncE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2nUdtKncE</a> Zero Mostel might be my fave.
@Lacey K they're not considered spoilers. You can't discuss the puzzle without talking about the answers--both in the column and in the comments. If you're reading the column it's assumed that either you've completed the puzzle, or you've come for some hints.
@Darren I would have been *really* unhappy if this had run on Thurs-Sat; it sits well on a Tuesday. As for obscure or rarely used words: -When I saw HOK__ I guessed the answer before even seeing the clue. no idea why you had a problem with it. -LOLLOP was new to me; I love learning new words. according to ngram it's been on kind of an upswing since 1980. -apparently DIRE wolves featured in GOT which I didn't read or watch. I know it from visiting the La Brea Tar Pits; "The La Brea Tar Pits Museum features a famous "Dire Wolf Wall" displaying 400 to 404 fossilized dire wolf skulls. These skulls represent only a fraction of the collection, as over 3,600 individual dire wolves—and over 200,000 of their bones—have been recovered from the site." -NAIAD shows up in the puzzle all the time, and also in lots of fantasy writing. -If you don't know HOLST's The Planets you're missing out; check out Mars to see the seeds of John Williams score for Star Wars. -of course the SIT SKI is a real thing; if you'd watched some of the Paralympics earlier this month you'd know that. Sorry Darren, this one's on you.
@Ed I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm guessing you haven't heard of TURDUCKEN? We've had it twice for Thanksgiving. Although to be honest they were 20 years apart, and I think both times we said "I don't think we need to do this again."
I would have liked to have been a fly on the editors' wall when they were discussing [Ballad] for LAY (6D)on a Tuesday. No I didn't know it, despite knowing a lot of musical terms and having once been a big Middle Earth fan. Yes I was able to get it from crosses. Yes I enjoyed learning a new term. Fun fast solve, slightly faster than average. Enjoyed seeing the River SHANNON in the grid. Heads up that a new movie just opened called HEART EYES. Just in time for Valentine's Day, it's a rom-com/slasher pic. I'll pass, but if any of y'all check it out, circle back with your review. thx.
Loved the headline theme. Was familiar with all, although some were easier to remember than others. WALL ST LAYS AN EGG was a gimme, although I started with WALL STreet and got confused. Last to fall was SE; I had IN TOPLESS BAR in the SW, and was trying to make the first part of the headline about a scandal of someone famous being spotted in a topless bar. :\ Puzzle felt very difficult as I was doing it, but I ended up only one minute over my average. Gotta say I don't get a lot of the hate. I enjoyed it, but if I hadn't I'd have just gone to the archives for a palate cleanser. Lily Tomlin hosted SNL in November 1975, shortly after ...DROP DEAD; I've hunted in vain for clips. Cold open was Chevy Chase's Ford referencing the headline, and Tomlin ended her monologue with a cheer to boost NYers' morale. Was able to at least find a transcript: I’ll tell you – I wanted to do a cheer for New York, while I’m here. [snapping fingers] And.. this is the composition that comes to mind: “Cheer up, New York, ’cause you’re okay Though the President says you won’t last another day. I’m here to say you’re here to stay And mention, by the way, if I may You got the greatest culture, symphonies and plays Also shopping, eating, meeting places and subways Take pride in yourself, you could be Philadelphia.”
@Gianni <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/shared/comment/46898n?rsrc=cshare&smid=url-share" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/shared/comment/46898n?rsrc=cshare&smid=url-share</a> and a springbok is specifically a kind of antelope. and I'm not sure where you're seeing arrogance. hey look, here's some ICE RAIN in your own backyard! <a href="https://b985.fm/the-historic-ice-storm-of-98-rolled-into-maine-25-years-ago" target="_blank">https://b985.fm/the-historic-ice-storm-of-98-rolled-into-maine-25-years-ago</a>/ "The fully fueled system was then pushed eastward, where it dumped snow and ice rain on thousands of square miles."
After several years of mostly retirement I'm suddenly in DC for a conference where I'm expected to participate from 8 am for hours, perhaps even through dinner. So for a few days the xword has become my late evening wind down. So weird to be an early commentor; my comments are usually reactive. For instance I'm wondering how our foreign language solvers felt about MARCO (Polo). Ah well, sleep calls. Will try to check comments at some point tomorrow.
I just want to point out that HOTEL CALIFORNIA won in 1978, not 1976. ;)
Once backstage someone had put a sign on the wall which said "Do NOT put ANYTHING on this table!" However, the table had been moved and replaced by a hamper. I don't speak French, but I was rather chuffed that I found the proper font and made a sign for the hamper which said "Ce n'est pas une table." Fun puzzle, great debut. I was fine with OPENENDER, although I agree it would have been better clued as the poker term. And yes, I do use the word EMEND with some frequency.
The Broadway musical War Paint is based in part on a 2004 book of the same title, and tells the story of the rivalry between 20th-century female cosmetics entrepreneurs Elizabeth Arden and Helena Rubinstein. It's a great title for the subject, but the show also draws from and fully credits a 2007 documentary, and I wish they could have included it as a subtitle. The full title should have been War Paint: The POWDER and the Glory Fun Friday solve. Filled just the way I like, each new pass giving me a few more crosses leading to a few more AHAs. One of these days I'll learn how to spell BURSAR without requiring a gentle cross.
Both yesterday and today my time was about 50% of my average for the day. *sigh* It's time to admit that all the folks saying the puzzles are being dumbed down aren't imagining it. I didn't like the idea of the alternate/easier clues for Fridays when it was announced, and I know some constructors bristled at it; however, I think therein lies the only solution that will result in Friday and Saturday puzzles that please most people and management. At least let the constructors write the alternate clues. And give us back a proper Fri/Sat challenge.
FOP makes me think of that Act I finale of Sweeney Todd: What is that? It's fop, finest in the shop And we have some shepherd's pie peppered With actual shepherd on top And I've just begun Here's the politician, so oily It's served with a doily, have one Put it on a bun Well, you never know if it's going to run Try the friar Fried, it's drier No, the clergy is really too coarse and too mealy Then actor, it's compacter Yes, and always arrives overdone
@Moira LOL is this your hill to die on? I just typed a fairly conciliatory response to another of your comments, but I would posit that many Lego fans are USA children and virtually all of them would add the S unless specifically instructed by their parents not to. In these parts plurals generally involve an S. And again, I want to part on good terms. Moira is a lovely name, and you share it with some of my dear relatives. I wish you nothing but the best.
I've enjoyed the occasional episode of Parks and Rec, but I'm a member of team Offerman thanks to his stunning Emmy-winning appearance on The Last Of Us. I still remember this paragraph from the NYT recap of the episode: ====== It’s frankly remarkable that what is ostensibly an action-horror series could make time — in its third episode, no less — for an alternately heartwarming and heartbreaking short film about companionship. It’s as though the opening montage from the movie “Up” were extended to about 45 minutes and then dropped into the middle of “World War Z.” ======== Who would have guessed he could also co-construct a crossword? It seems like he can do anything he puts his mind to. Thank you, sir. For all of it.
early signs are that we liked this one! Let's see if it holds.
@Avalon V Scots aren't English, but I think they are British.
@LAR First of all, welcome! I think you'll find this community supportive, although you might aim to post earlier in the day for a better range of responses. As for using autocheck: It's *not* a bad thing. I believe Deb has told us that she solves with autocheck on; solving is part of her job, and she's not concerned with streaks. She (and others) have repeatedly told us it's a game, it's supposed to be fun, and it's YOUR puzzle. You make up the rules you want to solve by, and then try to stick to them. Barry's not wrong; as you gain experience and confidence you will probably want to turn off autocheck at least for your first few passes, or for early-week puzzles--again, you make your rules and you do you. If you're feeling stumped you can always come here for hints, or to ask for help. again, welcome.
In our home and on our shopping lists the half-and-half is called 1. I don't think emus drink coffee.
I believe it was Steven Wright who said "I need something to help me remember the word 'mnemonic'." Emus seem to be munching on my last post...
Good one. The Bore/HAD discussion reminds me of a favorite Joni Mitchell song, a deep cut called Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody. first verse contains this lyric: My child's a stranger I bore her, but I couldn't raise her ========== Her line reading (to me, at least) makes the initial meaning of bore sound like "she's bored with me," making the follow-up a surprise. And it was written before it was widely known that she had given up a child for adoption many years ago. Thanks for getting me to re-listen. <a href="https://youtu.be/7G333adJxbM" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/7G333adJxbM</a>
TIL that FASTANDFURRYOUS and steamboatwillie have the same number of letters. I liked it. I was always team Warner Bros. over Disney. No shade.
I usually tend to read all comments, replying along the way, until i get through them all and then I give my comments if I have anything to add. By now the Monday puzzle has been out for 50 minutes, so I don't know if anyone will see this. I may need to rethink my model. I thought the theme was pretty fun. I caught on with BLONDE ON BLONDE, and circled back to pick up the others. But I did think a lot of the other fill and especially the clueing was far too easy for a Sunday. Not all of it, but a lot. And I agree that the responsibility lies with the editors, not the constructors. And I agree with those who suggest that the editors have likely been pressured by management to make things easier to increase revenue. And I lament our loss. At this point I pretty much breeze through M-W, so I really look forward to Thu-Sun. I never hate the puzzles, but I find myself disappointed of late.
@litewriter no idea what you're talking about.
@Darren a puzzle is a game, for fun. If it takes you longer, then you're getting more bang for your buck. You don't need to finish it in one sitting, or in one day. Just enjoy yourself.
There are lots of horror movies about creepy dolls, but perhaps the most disturbing is Todd Haynes' 1987 film Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story (wiki link below) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar:_The_Karen_Carpenter_Story" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar:_The_Karen_Carpenter_Story</a> fast solve typical Monday, but I agree with the observation that the memories and anecdotes in today's comments are rich.
Whenever I see or hear the word JODHPURS I always think of this quote from Fran Lebowitz's essay "An Alphabet of New Year’s Resolutions for Others": “Being on the short side and no spring chicken to boot, I shall refrain in perpetuity from anything even roughly akin to leather jodhpurs.”
True story: we have a friend who used to work at E! starting back in the late 80s, when it was known as Movietime. He wasn't the most tech-savvy person, but he did use a computer at work. At some point in the 90s a friend asked him to email something, and he said "How can I send you an email? You don't work at E." That's the day that he learned that the "e" in "email" stood for electronic, not entertainment. ;) He also came up with a tagline that they declined to use, but I always thought it was brilliant: If it's happening in the world of entertainment, it's news to us!
@Isabeau I worry this anecdote will get lost/buried here, but it belongs. I was working with a new assistant, and within the first hour she warned me she had CDO. When I asked, she explained that it was like OCD but in alphabetical order, as it should be. We got along very well.
@Jeremy Don't know if you're a baseball person, but I think Fenway Park in Boston is named for the nearby Back Bay Fens. That helps me remember the word. I consider FEN and bog to be a Kea/Loa.
Fun grid and I was able to get everything from crosses. toastED before CLINKED but I was on the right track. "Oversupply" for SATE didn't smell right; yes if you oversupply someone with food they are SATEd, but you can also SATE them by providing the right amount. I know clues aren't definitions, but that one felt off. Loved the clues for NAPA, MITT, TENNIS and SIMON. And I hope the NENE waited for the lava to cool.
Haven't yet read all the comments, but given the shout-out to PARAMUS I had to go listen to "Ariel" by Dean Friedman, and then had to share it. <a href="https://youtu.be/ONXQbbJJLuM" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/ONXQbbJJLuM</a> "Standing by the waterfall In Paramus Park She was working for the friends of B-A-I She was collecting quarters In a paper cup She was looking for change And so was I" I have this album on vinyl. about 15-20 years ago I read an interview with one of the members of Phish (I think?), and he mentioned this song as an example of a perfect hook. He said he used to hide under his covers at night with his transistor radio hoping the DJ would play it again before he fell asleep.
@JP if you have any lawyer friends ask them about it. It's still used in court documents. Maybe you've just been reading the wrong memos. I admit it's crosswordese, but sometimes a little glue is necessary and this piece of glue is not as obsolete as you think.
I know there's a contingent that doesn't believe in the emu lag. Yesterday I posted something about T-PAIN in a Lonely Island video. Right after I hit send I realized I should have warned that it was NFSW, so I added that comment. The comment about the video posted immediately, around 4pm yesterday. The warning posted today at noon. :\
@Eva H. Horrible comment. Terrible attitude! No, but srsly... not everyone will like every puzzle, but from the comments it's clear that a lot of us liked this one. And certainly many didn't. I don't plan to count the votes, but a puzzle loved by many is probably not horrible. And some of these clues seem to be in the running for clue of the year, or at least of Lewis' next top five. [i.e. ID tags]. As is often suggested, examples of which clues you especially disliked might generate a useful conversation. So... take a deep breath and carry on. The Sunday puzzle just dropped here in NYC; perhaps it will be more to your liking. and there's always the archives! Ciao.
Loved it. I'm surprised Sam doesn't hear KINDA SORTA more often; I prolly say the inversion ("sorta kinda") almost daily. FALSETTOS has a therapy session built around it to the point where I consider it the actual name of the song. ========== [WHIZZER, spoken] Marvin at the Psychiatrist, a three-part mini opera. Part One. [MENDEL] Do you love him? [MARVIN] Sorta kinda [MENDEL] Do you need him? [MARVIN] Sorta, kinda He makes me smile a lot Especially at mealtime It makes me feel I'm sort of smart
@LJADZ OK, I know you're trolling but I'm gonna call you out anyway. (I know, what a waste of time.) "Dreadful puzzle" absent any concrete criticism is a dreadful comment. You suggest Mr. Walden used Google to find the answers in this puzzle. Please support this claim. You suggest absolutely nobody including Mr. Walden knows this "trivia". Please define "trivia" as something other than a fact you don't know, and please support your claim. [spoiler alert: you're wrong; read the comments.] The thing is... you not enjoying a puzzle and it being dreadful aren't the same thing. You're not alone in disliking the puzzle, but neither am I alone in admiring it. It was difficult, and I am glad that I resisted the impulse to look up or confirm a few answers; I really felt pleased when I got the happy music. There were several things I didn't know and had to get from crossings and inference. I felt the crosses were tough but fair. LEA SALONGA and LOS (Alamitos) and MATA (Hari) were gimmes for me, and GRATES and HAIRTRAP were lucky early guesses, so I know that gave me a leg up. But I'm sure there are others for whom GALOIS [yes, our community includes solvers who know maths] or THE BARTMAN or MR LONELY or O-CEL-O or BOARDIES or AUSTENITES or DR MARIO or RHODES or ASHCARTER or REB were gimmes: different people, different wheelhouses. It's time for me to look to the Sunday puzzle. I hope you like it better than you liked today's.