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I usually don’t complain about puzzles—especially debuts—but this one was extremely disappointing. The theme was cute but not that funny or remarkable. Given that you absolutely need the crosses I’ve never seen so many ambiguous clues that could be filled by very close words—BASE/BASS MOTE/MITE, MICRO/MACRO, CEOS/CFOS/CIOS. Then there’s SMOOVE and MAMA which is a horrible Natick—I don’t mind learning new cultural references but a cross like that is really questionable especially when you can clue MAMA differently. Same with PEG and YUNG—I don’t mind PEG so much although it’s a reach but when crossed with an obscure rapper. No really fun or clever clues. I’m so sorry this one left me cold. I will put a lot of this more on the editors and I would encourage this new contributor to keep at it, as the idea had a lot of potential.
So I’m beginning to get a handle of what’s been bugging me lately. Would love to get your feedback. I think we are entering an era with very “technical” constructors. By that I mean, constructors who come up with a clever, difficult theme, that may require some software to engineer and that would be hard to construct otherwise. No doubt they do it well. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not opposed to that, or even AI to an extent. But somehow, it seems, that’s all it is. I look at this puzzle today and I come away with a bunch of words but no real sense of this constructor’s personality, interests, or wit. Look, I use software to construct my puzzles, no doubt. But at some point I might say, yeah, this works, but it’s not me, and I start again. And I agonize over all my clues to reflect my own humor and preferences, whether the editors use them or not, and at least the theme reflects my unique personality whether you appreciate it or not. I look at today’s puzzle and while I acknowledge its technical prowess it just doesn’t inspire me. Maybe it’s because I view constructing as more of an art than a puzzle. Ok enough from me, am I being unreasonable, obtuse, or catty, or is this resonating with others? What do you think? if I’m off-base I’d love to hear that too.
Loved the puzzle theme overall and a really cute idea but some of the clues were torturous at least the way they were clued. I had two absolute Naticks, UZI and SUZIE and ADELEH and BELLE, all fairly obscure references, and since three of them could have been clued less ARCANEly it seems like it would have been fair to make at least one of the references more accessible. Anyone else feel that way or is it just me?
@Richard Irell A few thoughts: First, I wish this community would stick to constructive criticism and not blanket nastiness. Lots of reasons you might not like a puzzle but calling it “garbage” is uncalled for. Second, FYI, puzzles are accepted months and months in advance so I have little doubt Will Shortz approved this puzzle. Occasional tweaks on clues at the last minute, yes, but the grid itself, unlikely. And Sam the constructor is also an editor so I doubt there would have been much different if Will were here. Third, Sam’s contributed lots of puzzles and this is his style, like it or not. Exasperating, stretchy, sometimes obscure but in my opinion usually entertaining and thought-provoking. Don’t agree? Sure, say why in a polite thoughtful manner and move on.
@Alan Parker I’m fine if you think puzzles lately have been too hard, too obscure, too much trivia, whatever. But you lost me with “there’s never any reason to have a rebus in a puzzle” especially when you were recommending the NYT puzzle a year ago—rebuses have been in these puzzles for years and years. And there IS a reason—they provide challenge, variety and LOTS of people like them even if you don’t. This one especially seemed pretty benign.
@SP Oh and editors: thanks for leaving out the circles in this one! Appreciate the extra challenge!
We don’t always give a lot of love to Monday puzzles, either solving or constructing—at least I don’t. And I’m really not a fan of word ladders generally. But let’s give credit where credit is due—this was an extremely tight Monday puzzle with a ton of theme content, and to do that and make it entirely accessible to Monday solvers deserves a lot of applause.
Wow, the constructor in me is just stanning. I can’t remember when I’ve seen this dense of theme material. I loved your sweet constructor’s note, Hoang, but what I really want is a geek out about how you came up with this idea, how hard it was to implement, and what was going through your brain while you were creating it. I feel like I’m looking at a Dali or Bosch painting that you can look at for hours and still marvel at the details. 3 reveals. The appropriate use of CAN as the reused word. The smoothness of the reduced words that so precisely mirror their longer version. The elegance of the recycling words that use the same letters again exactly and no more. Maybe this is more of a constructor’s puzzle but I hope the allure to the solver is the slow burn of gradually revealing the themes and wondering how they will all fit together. Two more unrelated notes: I guess they wanted a head start on REUSE when they reused FLY yesterday? And second I hadn’t heard of LOUCHE and I had everything but the L at first—I guarantee you it wasn’t the first letter that came to mind.
What to say? I hate to burst the bubble of these two constructors who put a lot of time, thought and heart into this. This would have been a fine Monday puzzle on an average day. I suppose it was put on Wednesday because the editors thought it was April Foolsworthy. But it just really wasn’t. Cute idea, yes, gave you a second of pause when you had to figure out why the quip wasn’t a quip, but just a second. Oh and let’s circle the letters just in case there was a remote chance that we might actually fool someone, we wouldn’t want that. And in the meantime how many brilliant April Fools tricks have we seen through the years— is there nothing trickier that had been submitted? (Even if it were a little trickier than the average Wednesday?) And maybe a misleading or tricky clue somewhere in the grid? Anywhere? I think by any estimation both Monday and Tuesday were more engaging and Wednesday worthy than today. I’m sorry in the spirit of kindness I really debated posting this, I don’t want to hurt the constructors or any poster who really liked it. But I think I can at least be honest, and if I had created and submitted this and it had been posted with those clues on an April Fools Wednesday I would be very disappointed and would not be hurt by someone saying so.
Wow, Katie Hoody has had some solid puzzles but this was one for the ages. I’m surprised people found this easier than yesterday because it took me about 50% longer. Not sure I would have ever found an in if I hadn’t come up with WENTONTOUR and SCARYMOVIE on my own. I can’t find one flaw in this grid, and I can’t find it a single clue that wasn’t well thought out or phoned in. Even OREO for Pete’s sake, I was looking for an early movie title. Any of the clues you thought would be gimmes weren’t—COT instead of IRA, UMPS before BIRD (my fault not noticing it wasn’t plural), EVEN before OVAL, BYTE before LIMA, it just goes on. Folks when we say that a lot of what makes a Saturday a Saturday is not the grid but the clues, this is what we mean. And the longer entries were also clued brilliantly one after another. Just look at the central spanners and all those brilliantly clued stacks. I’m not going to list my favorite clues because I don’t have enough space and I would hate to leave any out. Between yesterday and today I have hope that the weekend themeless solve is getting back to its former glory.
So it never ceases to amaze me how a grid that seems insurmountable at first suddenly falls into place. It’s why I keep telling new solvers to be patient. I had nothing, absolutely nothing in the top half, except maybe a bastardized version of RIGVEDA that I couldn’t spell if my life depended on it. Then I had (incorrectly) MATEINTWO and TSARS which at least got me MARINA and eventually MIMOSA and the rest of that corner, Then it was Ghostbusters to the rescue with ECTOPLASM which opened up that corner despite having NONE before BOTH. In the NW for “settled above stools” I had lots of versions of toushie, etc., but BAD… (BADGUYS? BADDIES?) along with the R of RIG led me to BAR something and eventually BARBETS. Eventually the middle came which got me an in to the NE despite having OBGYN before NEURO as my first guess. So folks, just be fearless, be open, wait for that bit of inspiration and those few letters that make sense and suddenly even the hardest puzzles can be revealed to you. And this was no walk in the park. Thanks Cameron for a great workout. Loved DOGBREATH and BARBETS (with BEERMATS in the other corner) and GANGPLANK and LATTEART. And ENVIES over GREED. Speaking of which, it’s a sin that you can put this together in an hour, there ought to be a special circle in Dante’s hell for you where you have to push an OED to the top of a mountain only to have it fall again, or maybe have to write clue after clue for OREO each one original or you will fall in a vat of acid.
The most irreproachable puzzle in a while, I hope, not withstanding another ARHAT. The clue for KENS is the funniest I’ve heard in a long time
@Mike In keeping with today’s theme: Mike from Munster? PUNGENT
All I can say is PHEW!!!! I predict this is going to be a controversial puzzle for a lot of reasons, but I absolutely loved it. It was like a puzzle within a puzzle within a puzzle. First I saw the title and said, ok, we are looking for the odd letters in the entry (that’s the cryptic crossword freak in me). Then I saw the circles and said, gee, why spoil it and give it away? But that was the least of my worries. Then I was afraid one clue would just be the odd letters from another which would be a giveaway. Then I thought, ok it’s a synonym of the odd letters, which is better. But then it’s a misdirecting crossword clue for the odd letters—WHAT THE FUDGE? That’s crazy! THEN to top it off, the rest of the fill and clues are no walk in the park for a Sunday either, and we have a real barn burner on our hands! I suspect this will be a bridge too far for many solvers, and that’s ok, I really do understand your issues. But for me, who doesn’t mind some stretchiness in the service of a mind blowing theme, crazy construction skills, and an overall fantastic challenge, this was heaven for me. Glad you’re back, Mark, and I can see why you are a dentist, you like to torture people and this puzzle definitely was like pulling teeth in the best possible way: <a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM&ra=m" target="_blank">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM&ra=m</a>
Great puzzle, but there’s got to be a cleverer clue for GOATYOGA. How about “fitness class that might lead to firm butts?”
@Rebecca B I can answer that. I’ve contributed puzzles and my first Sunday was trashed by Rex Parker who hated it and basically accused me of plagiarizing it from a Sporcle quiz without reading my comments that it was MY OWN Sporcle quiz. Guess what, the world didn’t end, my ego wasn’t shattered and I got lots of other very positive comments both in his column and this one. So give your own opinion if you liked it, let Deb have hers which was thoughtful and not unkind and let’s all grow a backbone!!!
“All the vowels are in order!” Tom said, facetiously.
So this was MUCH more impressive than it seems at first glance. When I saw the first themer, I was a little bit “ho-hum”. But then when I realized it was the same clue each time, and how natural and elegant the entries were with phrases related to making/forming etc., I was wowed. (BUILDABEAR was my favorite). And thanks Isaac for giving us a little insight into how the sausage was made. Terrific decision to keep it to four themers, because this was a very interesting, chewy grid for a Wednesday and would have been fun even without the theme. Some clever clues like “Veg out in a spa” and “paper view” and even a fresh OREO clue. I liked the ASAHI and SAKE cross and the “Brest friends” near ABREAST, not to mention TROTS and TROTSKY. . Happy to say I got THEDEETS with little prompting, I guess crosswords are making me cooler. I like the little misdirect of MORDOR before MTDOOM. Last, I always love a crossword coincidence, and I just got back from a wedding where I shared CAKE with a former member of the Village People, who shared his YMCA moves with us during the disco party the night before. You can’t beat that!
I think VACUUM PUMPS would also be excellent footwear to go with the DUST JACKET.
Wow this was lovely, haven’t see a nice tribute theme like this for a while and a great grid and animation. I just wish I hadn’t read the title, or the editors had been more circumspect about it, because I read the first theme clue, popped down to the bottom and filled in WILLIAM TELL, and the rest of the theme filled itself. Or even if it had said “subject of this theme” rather than “legendary folk hero”. Still, can’t fault this theme or its construction, very on target all the way. Last, I’ll get it out of the way, where does William Tell (or the Lone Ranger, as it’s usually told) take his garbage? To da dump, to da dump, to da dump dump dump…
@Fact Boy Schubert wanted to Finnish his symphony but, of course, he died, and now he’s too busy decomposing. (His last words, if I recall, were “I coda been a contender…l”)
@Edward So for those of us looking back to more challenging days, those are the kinds of nebulous clues we long for. But diff’rent strokes, I suppose.
So before I read the constructor notes I was going to start by saying how excited I always am for a Zhou/Curry collaboration (or solo efforts for that matter)—I always expect a clever twisty theme, a sterling grid, and sparkling clues, and wasn’t disappointed today (uplifting coverage, anyone?). Well, actually this theme is a little tame by their standards, but still tight, fun and entertaining. But now after reading their notes I can focus on telling them that if their goal is to bring joy to others with their crosswords, they certainly have accomplished that with me, and I’m sure many others. I’m heartbroken to hear of the passing of their friend, and what a fitting way to pay tribute to someone else who brought joy to others in their own way as well. Thanks for passing it on, over and out!
@Michael Weiland C’mon people of all the things to nitpick over! I suppose he could have said “if parsed differently” and left it at that but he was trying to be clearer. Besides if I asked you how many words is the sentence “W is my favorite letter” what would you say? Certainly not four? W is the noun in this sentence. It’s a letter being used as a word.
So the theme was EEZPPZ since EEONDOWNTHEROAD was a gimme to me. But oddly enough another theme could have been Trivia I’ve Never Even Heard Of (but maybe should). TABOURET, VOILE, STAYMAN, PUENTE, ENSOR,SINEBAR, EMILIO and ANTIHERO (as a Taylor Swift song) as a start—a long list for me for a Sunday. If I were like many commentators lately I suppose I would just say it’s the worst puzzle ever and blame it on the editors in Will’s absence. Instead I’m going to chalk it up to one of those days the constructor just has a wider experience than I do in those areas, or else dug further in their word bank to make a really tight clever theme work. So I'll just be grateful that today I got to learn a lot of new things and managed to get through the puzzle regardless, admittedly having to run through the alphabet a few times.
First, thank you Sam for your timely words. They are a good reminder that we should be able to reflect on our experiences without putting down anyone else’s. I thought this was an extremely well executed grid and theme in my opinion. There’s the grid art—then the excellent theme material. I personally appreciate that the themes were all gettable on crosses but none of them were obvious or gimmes (to me at least and I do enjoy movies). I thought this was a class A grid as well. I had no issues with TRANK or DOTER. Yeah, SLEEKEN’s a little clunky, but perfectly legit. And I actually love OGREISH as a word. And in the meantime look at the medium sized stacks in the corners. All this while crossing 4 long theme entries and maintaining the grid art. That’s not easy folks. Steve L I hear you, there was a bit of straightforward clueing for some of the short entries. But I thought it wasn’t overdone for a Wednesday and still decently crunchy for me. Thumbs up from me.
Trying again, emus: This has been one of the best solving weeks, starting with Sunday, that I can remember, and today’s offering continues the trend. I can hardly forget Mr. Spooner’s first offering, which was New Year’s Day, since he happens to have the same exact name as my crossword loving boss whom I mailed to ask how he could have submitted a puzzle without telling me. I was impressed then and even more impressed today. This was a proper Friday! The only gimmes were trivia that I happened to know—BOGART, VINNIE Barbarino, Anna KARENINA, and THEOLOGY as a stab—and without them I’m not sure what other footholds I would have had—and even with them had to work hard in every crack and crevice. The SE almost did me in since I had HINNY before JENNY (I guess I shouldn’t pull answers out of my α$$ and I couldn’t find a preposition after SNEAK that looked like it would go with an N and D going down (oh, that Acrobat!) Too many sparkling clues to mention and few duds, but I’d call out IN-LAWS, DAFFODILS and DONOTDISTURB for best clues of the week. Nice reminder of yesterday’s puzzle with Secondhand Offerings. Please no pearl clutchers for W*F, it’s not a debut and civilization will not collapse. Finally, ESOPHAGI has the same number of letters as RIGATONI for tubes going down, but luckily I was so sure about BOGART I didn’t swallow it for too long. Thanks Andrew and editors!!!
“This is the perfect time to change to another bug spray!” TRADE IN THE OFF SEASON “Our deodorant expires very quickly” YOU CAN’T KEEP A SECRET “Our laundry detergent is no longer very popular” TIDE IS GOING OUT “Our dish soap formula no longer works” DAWN IS BREAKING These just go to show how hard this is, all of the included ones are so much better!
I guess I’m going to be the first negative Nelly today. I have a lot of respect for Ms. Lin usually but what the heck has happened to Thursdays lately? They are rapidly turning from my favorite day to my least favorite. Early week puzzles seem to be getting more interesting (I enjoyed all of them this week more than today’s) and Friday and Saturday, while getting easier, are at least still engaging and have a share of fun clues. But Thursdays have lost all spark. This theme while cute doesn’t seem worthy of a Thursday. Two themers use the same trick and the other two were just ho-hum. (I admit I was looking for angel food initially for the “rings on top”.) Any enjoyment I might have had was squelched by the inordinate number of gimmes—again seemingly even more than the early week puzzles, are they trying to overcompensate for a trickier theme? Finally it’s a turn off when your first two clues are so clunky—agree that GOIPO just doesn’t sound like something anyone would say on Wall Street, and while BACH IT is a thing I can’t imagine anyone actually writing it that way. I know it’s officially a spelling—but it sounds more like playing Baroque music and I would desperately avoid writing the phrase down, or if I did would write it BATCHIT although it’s equally clunky. Also thought the ADORED and POSER clues were just off. Just to add a positive at least I did like the “oil bigwig” clue and the clues for WAN and FROST. But those were my only bright spots, to be brutally honest.
Loved, loved, loved this but too gobsmacked to even know what to say right now. DERRIÈRE RIDER DERIDED is going to keep me smiling for a week. I think it will be more fun just to wait and see what everyone says because this puzzle will be as polarizing as it gets, I can’t wait to watch the nuclear fallout. I do need to ask—were any AI’s harmed in the making of this puzzle?
Hope no one HATESON this puzzle, because I thought it was TODIEFOR. I had almost nothing until somewhere near the bottom and even then not sure how I got a foothold, in retrospect. A ton of fantastic misdirects, loved the MEDSCHOOL clue (natch) and STARTERKIT and TAXEXILE not far behind. Even the non misdirecting clues were well written and interesting—ANTICOMEDY (I was thinking of what we used to call “Shaggy Dog Stories”) and WHENINROME. Would expect nothing less of these great constructors. The NW was particularly tricky for me as I had SEDATE before ATEASE (there’s a DOOK) and EGGS for the scallop clue before EYES. Well done, could have even been a Saturday, certainly! If tomorrow if even harder I look forward to it.
I’m oddly a bit dissatisfied with this puzzle, for an unclear reason that is probably unfair to the constructor. I mean, it’s a clever idea that is well executed overall, and a decent grid that was hard to fill—several reasonably long stacks. Yeah a few gluey/Naticky areas that ordinarily wouldn’t bother me much for a difficult theme. I thought the challenge was appropriate for a Wednesday, or even a little tough which is a positive for me. And I would have used a separate clue for the duplicate entry, but again, not a big deal. I guess what is bugging me is it’s missing a little bit of a fun factor, and it just seems like the constructor had to jump through a lot of hoops to convey the theme which seemed a bit forced. So again, I hate to sound negative over a puzzle that was actually clever and well constructed. Just sometimes that’s not enough to translate to full enjoyment, probably more my problem. Has anyone noticed that we seem to missing more constructor notes than usual lately? Wonder why that is. I miss them, especially for a puzzle like this where I really would like to hear more about the genesis of the theme and the constructor’s thought process and how they came up with the entries.
After reading some of your responses to Sam’s comments, I feel the need to respond again and be very clear. I don’t believe that complaining about the lack of challenge in a puzzle is a priori unwelcoming. I am certainly not being “judgmental” by doing so (even if you take it that way) nor is it about elite “super smart” people who want the puzzle catered to them. It’s the opposite—I have only respect and praise for those who are embarking on their crossword journey. I think you are all super smart if you are attempting it and coming to the comments to grow and learn. And I know lots of people who are super smart—certainly smarter than me—that don’t have the inclination, patience or the experience yet to finish a late week puzzle. Solving NYT crosswords is a skill like any other that involves lots of elements, not just trivia knowledge—understanding word patterns, recognizing common conventions, lateral thinking, even learning crosswordese which is a regrettable but necessary part of construction. It’s not for everyone but I firmly believe that EVERYONE who wants to can hone those skills and continue to get better. It shouldn’t just be “can I finish the puzzle by myself” and keep my streak. I would be delighted if every Saturday there is something I can get only by crosses or even something I had to look up because that is how I learn. (Continued below, sorry to be long winded but I am clearly passionate about this)
Fabulous debut. Perfect fun theme, excellent grid, and despite the early comments I think more of a Wednesday challenge than Tuesday. Loved the Houdini clue. Going on my list of early week POY nominations. I expect more great puzzles from you!
Really really clever. I figured out the trick easily enough—a missing letter where the asterisk was—which made it pretty easy to guess the themes, but I love a theme where you can’t wait to see what the revealer would be and this one didn’t disappoint. A quick solve but extremely fun. LOL before I realized that the missing letters were always B or N I was looking for COVID of Ancient Greece and imagining some sort of mythological epidemic!
@SP (Continued from above) I agree with Sam, we can all try to be more respectful of everyone’s solving experience. But I will continue to express my opinion about the challenge or lack of challenge in a puzzle without demeaning anyone else, including the constructors, because I think it is mostly on the editors to make sure the day and level of clueing is appropriate. It is extremely rare that I see what I would consider a “bad puzzle” accepted here in and of itself. And I promise I won’t disrespect you for expressing your own opinion about whether your solve is too easy or too hard. BUT I may still step in and give my 2 cents if you add or imply that a puzzle was bad or shouldn’t have been published at all because of it. I have too much respect for constructors to let that go. I will do so in a respectful way but still have the right to respond with my own opinion. Enough said? Thanks for listening.
So for everyone giving Joel Fagliani a hard time: Folks, the grids are accepted months even a year in advance. It’s pretty likely Will accepted this puzzle. Occasionally there are tweaks on clues late in the game so that may be on the recent editing crew but if you didn’t like the grid because it was too obscure then please don’t put that on them yet. And this is the same editing crew who worked on most of the clueing (with Will’s approval) before his stroke. For my two cents, I haven’t seen a lot of difference since Will left. There have always been irregularities in complexity and enjoyment before and always will but I think overall they are similar and I think people are just looking for things to grouse about.
Happy Passover to all who celebrate! I enjoyed this. Yes, it could have been a Wednesday but at least I think the level of clueing today was a cut above what I’ve seen lately, and it took me long enough to get the theme and I had an a-HA moment when I did. Had a lot of fond memories from some of these clues. I went to school in Boston within view of the iconic CITGO sign. I still say NEATO and am a consummate KAZOO player. My daughter in law is from Arizona and my ringtone for her is “Get your kicks on Route 66”. Mozart’s prolific output reminded me of the late Tom Lehrer’s classic line: “it’s a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age…he had been dead for three years”. Anyway I got a lot of laughs from this puzzle, thanks Joe!
Congrats on your well earned debut, Max. This puzzle was fun but ANTIPERSPIRANT (no sweat). My only nit is that the HEADLESSHORSEMAN—though dead, supernatural, and headless—is still a he not an IT. I am disappointed that we are dehumanizing the cranially challenged and I am certain that Nearly Headless Nick from Hogwarts would be equally aghast. After all they are just trying to get ahead in the world.
So there’s definitely a theme to this puzzle—a doctor’s office: Question for a psychiatrist? AMILOSINGMYMIND Make sure you take the entire dose of medicine… DRINKITALLIN …and don’t complain about the taste! SILENTTREATMENT And, of course, what a plastic surgeon does when you ask if there’s anything else you need to work on— BRINGSUPTHEREAR
YES! Ask and you shall receive. SO EXCITED to review this—anything but HOHUM. This had everything I could ask for in a Sunday Puzzle. Fresh, innovative idea that’s a challenge for both constructor and solver—and one that contributes to the solve once you get it but still isn’t a lay-up. The theme entries are smooth as silk and great accessory fill as well—PROMPOSAL, AIRHIGHFIVE (what you give after the proposal is accepted?) GOESROGUE, HOLYCANNOLI. (Good choice not to crowd this grid and the double themer in the middle is masterful). Just about the right difficulty of clues for me—an occasional easy clue to get over the tricky spots but plenty to stump over. And a few clever misdirections—PRISM, COSTAR, SCALP. Even a sly connection between Ned Flanders and Bouvier DES Flandres. I am so sorry that folks solving on the magazine had an issue and I hope they got to solve it elsewhere, that’s unforgivable for a such a wonderful puzzle. I had an interesting path to get the theme—had the rebus at ISLANDHOPPED but had PLAYEDHARD so had DEAD but not HEAT—figured the heat might come from the nuclear fusion! Then WHATATREAT before IFEELGREAT—which seemed to work with Pizza HUT. SECRETPLOTS finally broke it open. One minor nit and one observation—when you PAWN an item you are officially lending it for security on a loan, not selling it. And last, our British friends would argue that the answer to most words ending in “ize” is MISSPELLED.
@Francis Orcs are coroners, since they have knowledge in Mordor cases. Tom Bombadil was a weight loss surgeon since he specialized in Barrow-atrics. The only OB Gyn I know of in LOTR was Earendil the Mariner since he studied sea sections and berth control.
@john ezra John, I know your last name is Ezra but let me set you straight on a few things. Babylonia was what is now Iraq and the Jews were initially conquered by the Babylonians and exiled. Cyrus was indeed Persian but he conquered Babylonia and very kindly allowed the Jews to return. Meanwhile some Jews stayed in what would become both Iraq and Iran and coexisted very comfortably there for two thousand years, thriving and respected even when the Muslims came to power—the Talmud was written there, and Jews flourished until the mid 20th century. I know, because my wife’s family were Jews from Baghdad before antisemitism grew after WWII. So, whatever you think of the Iran/Arab/Israeli conflict, it really is a fairly recent development as history goes, certainly quite less ancient and well rooted than the Christian/Muslim conflict which goes back to the Crusades. A recent documentary “The Long Journey Home” by David Kahtan documents this history very well and tells a largely untold story since most Jewish histories tend to focus on Ashkenazi Jews and the Holocaust, and this history is less well known.
I was very afraid when I came here today that the haters would be out in force and was pleasantly surprised, so far at least. For the record, I liked it, I thought it was well constructed and a fun challenge. But here’s a recipe for disaster: 1) rebuses (divisive on their own) 2) needing specialized knowledge and reading the title which not everyone does 3) no clue where the rebuses would be and not symmetric (not that it would be possible for this complexity) 4) overall higher level of difficult clueing for a Sunday (and if you think no one is going to complain about having to know the name of an obscure discus champion guess again). Just fair warning they will come, and this is certainly a harder than average Sunday for most. But again I really enjoyed it, thanks for stretching me.
What a lovely debut, Philippe. I have to admit this was a pretty loose theme, with some stretchy pronunciations, but most of them were clever enough and made me laugh so I won’t be a stickler about it. I especially love SONATATHING and ARIAKIDDING, with STANZACHANCE a close third. I probably would have clued CODASILENCE as “Audience reaction to a particularly bad orchestra ending”, since I can’t imagine a lack of applause no matter how reverent the reaction. The first word ending in A was a consistent part of the theme and it’s too bad the key at the end wasn’t in A Minor—and though I can understand someone calling foul at a Natick there, the whole point of supporting diverse constructors is for them to include a part of their heritage, and what a great opportunity to respect your Haitian history by including ARISTIDE, which in any case should not be such an obscure figure for anyone nor unguessable phonetically. This was a great grid for a debut as well, with not a lot of junk and good accessory fill like SEWERRAT. Love the LADS and LASS pairing. Andrzej, sorry about the math. Finally, nice call out to TRINITY where my son got his theater masters. Again Phillipe glad you came on the scene with a delightful debut!
I’m going to be a bit more reactive and circumspect with my comments today and see what you all think. I will say I enjoyed it and found it quite challenging, both from a theme standpoint and the rest of the clues. Still, it was very obvious these were all computer generated. I’m not at all against that in theory. But I think I would have sacrificed the intricacy of some of these for some friendlier choices. GATECH? CHIAS/CHIASMUS? SOLI? TODDLES? Yes they are all legitimate crossword entries, potentially, just I would have preferred to see something a little more…human, somehow? Also some of the clues, I won’t enumerate them, just seemed a little off in odd ways. Anyway, I don’t want to be too much of a downer on this, you have my MADRESPECT for creating it and appreciated the unusually high challenge for a Sunday which is refreshing. But now I will sit back and hear what the peanut gallery has to say.
I’m sitting on the fence with this one (pun intended). There are many who feel as a rule grid entries shouldn’t be gibberish. I’m not generally not that rigid. But in this case I do think the theme would have been better served by having backwards birds in normally entered phrases, like, say COI(N RET)URN. This would placate those folks and make more sense that you flip the bird (turn it backwards) to complete the phrase. That said this was still clever and enjoyable. As to the shaded squares, I’ll always vote for greater challenge but can’t fault the choice they made. I would much prefer they kept the shaded squares and instead upped the difficulty of the other clues. Last nit was a big one for me as a student of Ancient Greek history. I have to double down on what Barry said earlier about the clue for SPARTAN. This clue was quite awkward and misleading. Yes Menelaus was a Spartan and his contingent was part of the Trojan war and certainly were in the Trojan horse. But there were lots and lots of soldiers there from all over Greece. To say “one inside the Trojan horse” is SPARTAN is like saying “one inside Congress” is LIBERTARIAN. Not sure why they didn’t just say “like some inside the Trojan horse” or just clue it with something more iconically Spartan. Sorry I know I’m being pedantic but so many people have misunderstandings about the Trojan war I just wanted to set the record straight.
“New York paper’s crosswords aren’t what they used to be!”? TIMES, THEY ARE A CHANGIN, Maybe, but I have no complaints today. I appreciate the difficulty of finding and placing all these themes and I’m glad you stuck with it, Sam. These all made me laugh inside and finding a place for 8 long themers is no walk in the park. I ESPECIALLY appreciate the time Sam and/or the editors took to polish some of the shorter clues—the clues for ANT, WATER, ZIT, NOMAD, and TATAS show that just because an entry has been around the block a few times doesn’t mean you can’t take time to find a fresh clue for it. I found this entertaining and reasonably challenging for a Sunday. Last comment—one can’t see EJECT in a puzzle, especially clued the way it was, without saying a prayer for the safe return of both our downed pilots in Iraq. God speed!
Perfect Monday. No constructor notes? Apparently Tom McCoy has been pretty prolific, looking him up, but I don’t remember his name. My only comment—my wife can testify to my driving ability, PARALLEL PARKING is not just a challenge for student drivers. Sorry, friends, I’d like to end this quickly but I just can’t figure out how to do it (Pardon, partners, parsimonious parting’s particularly paralyzing [6])
How sweet is this puzzle! Sam, surprised you didn’t point out the appropriateness of the accessory fill for this puzzle—FOOTWARMERS and KICKSTARTER? That’s just crazy in addition to the rest. Not to mention PELE and REF (which I would really have loved to see clued “cardplayer, of a sort?” for this puzzle). I don’t know why, I had an immediate premonition about this puzzle’s theme, which didn’t reduce the charm of the solve. Love all the dust up’s in this puzzle. Also love the call out to the Reina Sofia—if you are ever in ESPana it’s a very delightful quaint museum where you can see Picasso’s amazing Guernica. Coincidentally I just finished an archive puzzle by David Kahn today, an excellent Sunday that had entries which were clues for Shakespeare characters that had their names hidden inside the entries, really amazing, how wonderful is it to see the torch passed two generations down. Congrats to both zayde and einikl.